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I think this page is interesting. It shows how misunderstandings on both sides can lead to disastrous fiascos, and, more specific to the characters involved, that Nahmat thinks of herself as vulnerable, in spite of her great powers.

But, I think Shining Armor has the right idea. Nahmat provoked them, so she, though acting the best she felt she could, was still the wrong.

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:icongordelorth:
gordelorth Featured By Owner May 20, 2014
"Oh no, please, not that! Anything but your disapproving eyeballs!"

They can be quite scary.
or heart stoping

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs7…
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:iconfotland42:
fotland42 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
You made a bad first impression on 'Shy. First impressions are everything.
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EdenScorpio26 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Elements of harmony can KILL?
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NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
When coming across something completely chaotic, I'm pretty sure they have the capability to kill if you look at the darker side of MLP. However, since it is a child friendly show, chaotic creatures, i.e. Discord and Luna, are either petrified or converted. But we don't know the Elements full power.
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:iconfotland42:
fotland42 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Let us not forget, though, that Word of God says that Luna was possessed by some form of evil spirit. And I didn't see any evil spirit limping away to lick its wounds after Luna was cured . . .
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:iconnellzdablackking:
NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
True, but let's say what if Nightmare Moon still resides in her? She could emerge again if these emotions start to take control again.
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:iconfotland42:
fotland42 Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
The implication was that the evil spirit had been killed by the Elements.
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:iconnellzdablackking:
NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
I know what you implied, but I'm just doing a what-if scenario. It's implied Sombra is dead, but what if he happened to survive that attack? You get what I'm saying? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just thinking outside the box here.
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:iconedenscorpio26:
EdenScorpio26 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Yeah, i understand. I think if i remember clearly, sombra was killed by the crystal heart(uhhhh, creeeppy) but not by the elements.

I'm dissapointed about sombra because he had no backround.
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:iconnellzdablackking:
NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Yeah it was disappointment, but it's left up to the fandom to do some interesting speculations and theories on him and dark magic in general and I must say I found a couple of interesting ones.
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Nahmat provoked them. She knows that and has the guile to say the ponies started it.
 She needs some sense.
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:iconchaoticnote:
ChaoticNote Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Provoked? Dude, the ponies clearly made the first move. Shining immediately deemed her as a threat ON SIGHT and encased her in a shield.
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
Provoked, yes. She enters the room and starts making demands like she freking rules the place.
What poor excuse of first contact is that ?
Mat should have known better to act like that while in presence of the Two Princesses ruling Equestria.

"Shining immediately deemed her as a threat ON SIGHT"
Of course, he did. And he was damn right. What was he supposed to do ?
Everything in her attitude, her behaviour, her voice, made her appear like a threat to everypony and every griffon inside.
So she shouldn't have been surprised to have been treated like a potential threat.

SA and the two Solar Guards with him acted like they should have acted, as soldiers.
They are supposed not to take any risks that the stranger - Mat, in this case - "fires the first shots" and take them by surprise.

Besides, later on, Mat recognises she shouldn't have acted like that.
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ChaoticNote Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well she is a rookie.
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
True. But, and that's what makes me not slinging mud at her - or at anyone - is that she recognizes that, being a rookie - at least, in her own eyes -, she initially made a poor choice for her line of conduct (Is that the rigth expression ?).

She's a great character. And I like her ... "pawy hands". :-)
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ChaoticNote Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yep! Such a shame some people hate her just because of what she said to Celestia. I mean really, it's like they can't accept their favorite princess to have flaws. =3(\
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
Well, it seems to me there is quite an abundance of fanart and fanfics throwing all kind of mud at Celestia, most of the time by exaggerating her flaws up to the point of being really grotesque, and just for the sake of mindless Celestia bashing.

Some commenters say "I'd do sooo much better than her in this position etc."
That's easy to say when one's not in her (horse)shoes.

I recognize Sun Butt has flaws, but making her the most-flawed for no reason other than character-bashing is really standing on me nerves. It makes me think to those who screamed blue-funk (Is that even a real expression ? O_o) at Derpy Hooves being wall-eyed and calling it a insulting mockery of mentally impaired people, even though Derpy is not so, and was never intended to be an insulting character.

But well. Brohoof, anyway. /)
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watcher25 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
well, there you go,

yes, I was tense too and wouldn't have taken chances... but once the talking started... and no real harm was yet done, i listened, and frankly diplomacy actually was more appealing... if not in part to the princesses stepping in...

and I do recall Nahmat being surprised by Fluttershy's reaction after that stare off... but if Nahmat was genuinely scared... i definitely didn't see that... just annoyance and then surprise and fluttershy's faint...

come to think of it... i guess when you're tense and ready for trouble, afraid or not, you'll still appear angry or annoyed from virtue of the focus you're using...

or she's trained herself to do that... huh... maybe she projected her own fear of dismemberment by the elements into the bearer's minds... so Nahmat may have appeared unimpressed, but was in many ways, was scared enough to stay put if not freeze... and such fear projected into the minds of untrained and unprepared ponies caused them to out right seize up...

but... what was it you saw in fluttershy...? what? dark thoughts born from the pain of an introvert...? I would think that is where the generalization that the shy ones are the most prone to psychopathy comes from...
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013

In that last panel, you seemed to have left out a few choice words... Shouldn't it read:

 

"It seems the Fluttershy you know is far different from the Fluttershy I met..."

 

But I think Nahmat is on the right track when it comes to figuring out Fluttershy: It's always the quiet ones... :)

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Starsword Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013   Writer
The idea of misunderstandings between people having terrible repercussions is a fairly pervasive theme in classic literature as well. I  suppose you touching on that makes sense, given the awsome-tasticness of the comic you've made. Jane Austin's Pride and Prejudice is probably the best example of that. However, after having read your comment a few posts back about the Canterlot wedding, I suspect you may find it too...old fashioned for a progressive mind such as yourself. Before you get insulted, know that I'm not saying or implying that you wouldn't be able to handle the esoteric early 19th century (1800s) vocabulary/speech patterns, nor am I saying that the book's sophistication is too great for you. I merely mean that for someone who clearly abhors the concept of the traditional (perhaps chauvinistic) values that were the norm of that time. Personally, I found the book very entertaining, having come from quite the opposite background as you. My father and mother are both well respected educators in both post secondary and K-12 education. Being their son, I naturally grew up with both an aptitude for and great interest in history, literature, politics and the like, so although I don't approve of any kind of sexist noises that were normal in Jane Austin's life time, on an intellectual level, I DO understand why they existed. Personally, being of a semi-romantic temperment I found the wedding adorable. Yes, Twilight's song was a bit...uncreative in lyric, but keep in mind that the show still has to cater to the "pre-adolesent" girl demographic which tends to mean that weddings will have a more "traditional" theme. Personally, I think the song "Love is in bloom" adorable, but hey, it takes all kinds right? I'll admit the bit about making room confused me, but taking it as offensive seems a bit...I dunno touchy? Maybe I'm crazy. At least the Princess didn't start the wedding vows part of "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here in god to bear witness to the love of these two hearts." Which is (more or less) what the priest at a Christian wedding says first by way of introduction once the bride has made her walk down the isle.

Crud, it seems I've rambled again. My bad.:oopsies: 
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Kingofthecouch Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
frankly under the circumstances and meeting mean fluttershy instead of the normal fluttershy and also everything else i would have acted the same as nat did
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SaryTheWolf Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Shining's move wasn't an attack, it was defensive, but perhaps it would been better to put the shield around himself and the others...
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Awdren Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013
This seems to happen to people who meet Fluttershy, they either meet one or the other.
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thewatcher509 Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
*Nahat puts on sunglasses*

Are fluttering away from each other
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:iconbasslinek:
BassLineK Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013
Clearly The Stare works at several levels...
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DragonTurtle2 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Arofa is completely full of crap. The only thing I find more unbelievable than how delusional this character seems to be is how we, the readers, are suppose to believe such statements, or at least sympathize with her.

She was clearly in the wrong for sneaking into Equestria, then into a secured complex with state leaders, and not giving any explanation. Shining is completely in the right when he says she looked like she was going to kill someone. She EXPLAINED IT HERSELF, she was after a dangerous criminal, and was therefore ready to display force; which she did, on ponies in the room! What she did to the guards and the Elements is clearly some form of mental mind control and/or intimidation, and if that isn't a wrong thing to do, you may as well say that Chrysalis is an innocent.

"What you saw was my frustration from being lost and friendless in a strange world..." Why is she being painting herself as some kind of fugitive like a "X in Equestria" story? She's an agent, who was presumably informed of where she was going, and arrived with a plan of what to do and how to get out.

"...with no hope of help or understanding from the locals." This one really gets to me. The reason she didn't have a chance of receiving help was because she didn't say A DAMNED THING to any pony. When did she ever try to make some form of diplomatic inroads? Not until Celestia called her crap, and had no other option available to complete her task.

One could argue that Nahmat is essentially a cop, and that's the way she thinks. I don't think cops try to excuse their actions with accounts that don't make sense (as I've explained above) in order to look good. More importantly, when you need to hunt down and capture someone on a third party's territory, you don't just send a cop, you send an envoy. The difference being that the latter possesses an once of tact and knowledge towards another culture (an ass kisser, if you will) to make their case and ensure everything goes smoothly. Arofa was obviously a terrible pick.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As enlightening and interesting as your analyses are, if you're going to insult me and the readers who enjoy this comic, please privately message me instead.
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Cyberguy64 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Um... He didn't insult you or your readers. He just pointed out a flaw in your writing of this character, and commented on how hard it is for your readers to sympathize with a poorly written character.

I must agree with him. Nahmat hasn't been very sympathetic on anything but her own words thus far. In fact, she's been downright hostile. This might work if we knew her from anything else and knew if her intentions were pure, but this is literally her first public appearance. You, as her creator, have intimate knowledge of her personality and integrity, but we know nothing about her except for how she's acting and what she says, and they're painting two very different pictures. She's been throwing a pity party and expecting us to go "Awwww... Look at the poor little wolfey. The big mean ponies were being so mean to the poor lost wolfey who didn't know where she was and she was completely justified in breaking into a high security area and attacking innocent people without even trying to explain anything rational until she was stopped." When we've been seeing a character who, even if we are to believe her, assumes everyone should automatically know what she's doing, and uses cruel and unwarranted means of getting her way when they defend themselves and those not yet proven guilty against her hostilities.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time sympathizing with such an arrogant and somewhat dishonest character. Your later pages do a little better job making her a more little believable, with her apologizing for her gross misconduct and assumptions and such, but I still don't find her very likable on her own merits.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A comment is not just for sharing one's own thoughts with the author or artist, it is also for sharing one's thoughts with everyone who reads the story or looks at the picture. I'm mostly okay with being presented criticism, but I strongly doubt that critical comments are of any help to a third party unless deliberately worded as such. DragonTurtle2's did not seem like one.

"The only thing I find more unbelievable than how delusional this character seems to be is how we, the readers, are suppose to believe such statements, or at least sympathize with her."

What about the readers out there who do sympathize with her? How would such words make them feel?

I write this comment to address, not just you, but any who read this thread. If you would like to share your criticism with me, and if theres even a shadow of doubt that what you have to say would be enjoyable or helpful to a bystander, just note me instead. :)

That being said, I thankful for the time you spent to share your criticism with me. I found it very thoughtful and well-worded, and I hope you continue to enjoy this comic!
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:iconcyberguy64:
Cyberguy64 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You raise a good point. He definitely could have been less abrasive in his critique. However, you could also say that about criticizing just about anything that someone else might like. He's not necessarily trying to be insulting, but he's trying to make people question why exactly they like this character. Is it because of how they look? Because of how they act? Because of what they say? Are they taking the whole picture into consideration? Are they latching onto one aspect and holding true to it no matter how other factors influence it?

Questioning why you believe something is very important for developing strong beliefs. If you're thin skinned enough to be insulted when someone questions your opinions, then you might need to re-evaluate why you hold them in the first place.

Thankfully, this doesn't apply to you. I've been very impressed with your ability to take criticism, and I hope your story continues to improve because of it! I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
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DragonTurtle2 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Hey Cyberguy, thanks for standing up for my honor and everything, but Arofa and I ironed out any misunderstandings. Before you got here, my comment was censored, and we had a talk about that. I'm seriously pondering posting that exchange in the comments.
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Cyberguy64 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
No prob.
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Cyberguy64 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oy, typos. My bad.
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wanderingbishop Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Someone really needs to explain to Nahmat that mental coercion is every bit as violent as physical fighting, if not more so.

Oh, wait, Fluttershy just did that. :P
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think she was denying her acts being violent, but that in the moment, it was her only option.

So, yeah. All-round snafu.
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Thejboy88 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
And now Fluttershy's involved. I had a feeling she was acting odd in the other pages.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No one messes with Fluttershy without there being consequences.
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manymasksmanyfaces Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
alright, now it all makes sense. thanks! :3
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Dark1474 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Wait people can just ask the Elements of Harmony to stop. Damn wolves and their physcic powers. Still....great job on the comic.
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EB-the-GAMER Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Dark Nozze: Hm...I will have to learn that trick Nat used. Mental anguish makes me laugh.

Me: Sicko...:(
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Koneko-Ai Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
I remember you mentioning in a previous journal about wondering why there's difficulty accepting Nahmet as a character, and I think this shows a bit of it - that she's someone who, rather simply, overpowered the Elements of Harmony in full pre-rainbow mode, something not even Discord could do anything but cower against.

It's still a fun tale, but her level of ability tends to travel a bit into 'Liable to put people off' territory.
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shula6 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Actually I think the point that's being made is she didn't actually do anything. Merely (if unintentionally) intimidated everyone into not containing and attacking her. Her alien demeanor and attitude became an accidental bluff.

Shining armor's barrier wasn't broken, it waned because his horn stopped glowing and he stopped casting. The Elements of Harmony aren't an ineffective weapon, she just said using it was a bad idea(because she wasn't the real enemy) and told them to stop it.
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Koneko-Ai Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
She did a Mind-Controlly stop-it, it's right on the faces of the ponies when they get all loopy-eyed and drop - so not only does she more or less effortlessly dispatch Shining + the Mane 6, she out-stares Fluttershy. Basically, any nonverbal confrontation has ended with her achieving victory without even the barest hint of breathing hard.
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Betatrack Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I see it not so much as her overpowering everyone because she's hax mode. Rather she came at the characters from an angle they were completely unprepared to deal with, a psychic one. Nahmat uses psychic powers, which don't seem to be a common thing in Equestria, and as such Shining Armor and the Mane 6 have no real defense against psychic coercion. Because of that she didn't actually take the elements on directly, she took out the ponies who are necessary to harness the elements who aren't notably resilient on their own. (except Twilight, who is totally OP, but even she can't take on everything)
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ChaoticNote Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Fluttershy can really be scary.
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