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I had hoped by now to have prepared a prose adaptation of the scene with Nahmat that we missed, but writing good prose in a week while drawing next week's pages is hard for me.

But to summarize, like theirs, her world is mostly made of rock, with a cool, thin crust, a hot, liquid mantle, and a hot, iron-nickel core. Like theirs, her world is mostly covered in water, which can be naturally found in solid, liquid, and gaseous states. Like theirs, her world is covered in a thin film of air, made mostly of nitrogen, oxygen, crabon-dioxie and water. And, like theirs, her world is covered in life. This page outlines the differences, though she, as far as I can tell, hasn't yet mentioned that all the lights in the night sky are other suns, planets and galaxies.

Shining Armor has a geek for a sister, bless him, so I wrote this scene thinking he wouldn't be as dumbstruck by such a strange world as Cadance, who, as an Alicorn, was born to rule over natural order for the good of pony-kind.

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2coo Featured By Owner Edited Oct 28, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
i actually used this in ms paint and edited it to make it look legit thanks now i can use this for science answers :D  
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ichingdivine Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014
Nahmat, dropping logic bombs like MC's drop mics.
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tank2259 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
for starters since ur scared about clouds moving on there own come 2 our place
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kevinguzzer Featured By Owner May 11, 2014
FINALLY!!! SOMEONE WHO THINKS THE SAME AS ME ABOUT EVERFREE FOREST!! THANK YOU
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fotland42 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Well, it actually turns out that Cadance is kind of a secret geek as well . . . who knew?

Also, given the fact that the sun and moon do not operate without being directly controlled, it seems quite plausible, and perhaps even likely, that Equestria has never existed without ecological engineering. Certainly it is hard to see how it could ever have functioned properly without something to cycle the heavens and provide a steady alternation of day and night. On what grounds, then, would you call that "unnatural"? This is, in all likelihood, as the Tree of Harmony intended things to be.
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DCarrier Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Normally, when something like that comes up, it's just semantics. You just need to agree on terms and move on.

In this case, they don't natively speak the same language to begin with, so it's not even semantics. It's translation.
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NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Tell me about Cadence. Come visit us for a day and you'll see more chaos than Discord can probably offer.
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watcher25 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014
"Welocme to the real world, BI***!"

but no, seriously, we dont get sick from the "spinning", so neither should they

it was never any big deal to me that the everfree forest functioned on its own... but rather the conception that the fact that plants and animals could function autonomously of each other was considered "UN-nantural" as in "incorrect" DID bother me...

surely the land wasn't always this well regulated into such synergy... (which in itself isn't a bad thing) frankly it is this synergy that makes equestria a nice place to live that doesn't need high technology to do it... especially made possible by magic... thus: more time and effort can be spent on character and integrity over material and profit, effectively choking the disease of greed well before it sprouts... for the most part... and motivation comes not from the chance of material profit as much as personal profit from the artistic and self fulfillment type of payoff.

there is natural, such as flowing water which is nice, there is natural like predators eating smaller creatures whcih is a sort of organized chaos in which the loser pays big time... obviously equestria has done well to look out for the little people... ironically the basic aim of Marx's communist manifesto...
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Xxshatteredworld92xX Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
:icondizzyplz: Dizzy, not liking the dizzy. :XD:
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moesx88 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2013

It's all so true.

Despite the show's potential, I think ponies have WAY too much control over their world, but I don't think about it.-_-

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RussetBramblePelt Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist
I find this comic really clever. You hear one half of the story from one character's mouth and the other half from the other character's...
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Forgot to mention: All this talk about spinning is enough to make even Cadance's head spin! :XD:
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I was more curious to know if Nahmat's world had things like... golf and hockey... But most importantly: I wanted to know what an episode of "Cops" looked like on her world... :XD:
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DarkwolfTala Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist
Lol! So much spinning! XD
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AlexKazhdan Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Who would've thought that Shining Armor is so smart? :)
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LacoltmalleFail Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
"Your people's ecological engineering." 

Heh, bet Nat LOVES geo-engineering! Not. XD

This is a superb comic.  I wasted months detesting it because I saw one page out of context, immediately disliked it, and shut that door to creative exploration.  Then I came back to it tonight to read it from the beginning.  Couldn't have been more wrong in my snap-judgment, and I'm glad I've 180-ed on it.  This is skillfully written, has piercing explorations of character psyches, particularly Fluttershy and Nat so far, and keeping to the spirit of the show, and fun.  In short, good.  Real good!  When I finish reading the 96 pages so far, you're getting a follow, I of needs must keep up with this!  Thanks for your work and dedication in making and continuing it.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sure she likes geo-engineering just fine. She just doesn't like when people call something unnatural when it isn't.

I'm really glad you've come to enjoy this comic so much! I always assumed that anyone who said they liked the comic at a late page was someone who liked it at the start. I'm honored to have a reader like you! :D
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silverpaw1313 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
cadence=:dizzy: remake :dizzy: revamp :Dizzy: :dizzy: revamp Seeing Stars - Emote :dizzy: Vonkarma rolleyes
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Kingofthecouch Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
don't worry cadence that sort of thing confuses me 2
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Because-Pinkie-Pie Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Hahaha! Oh, poor Cadance!
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somewicked Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Behaves according to its intrinsic nature?
Just as the wind moves clouds in the everfree, pegasi move clouds outside of it. It seems unnatural to us that the wind doesn't just blow, but that just makes the wind "wild" in everfree, not "natural". Like how plants grow toward light, there's a lot of order in the natural world, and ponies co-exist with these forces, flora and fauna in order to create a stabilized ecosystem.

It seems weirder to me that the wolf divorces herself from nature such that ponies being a part of their ecosystem (albeit a bogglingly vital part) is unnatural... unless her people live like ours do, paving paradise and putting up parking lots...
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Le-escritor-VBA Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Makes sense they would try to keep everything in a tight schedule, chaos brings horrible memories to them.

oh and BTW awesome comic.
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HolyCross9 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
You know, there is one thing Nahmat doesn't realize about the unicorns, pegasi, and earth ponies regulating and controlling nature "artificially": if you think about it, they are actually helping of the environment, just as humans do, since both are living creatures, that means they are a part of nature too. If there is anything I have stated erroneously in that statement, please inform and exhort me on that.

Also, is Nahmat speaking telepathically?
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Call me cynical, but most of the help I've seen humanity do for the environment are efforts to counteract the destruction we cause. But, human agriculture might have kept the planet comfortably warm over the course of an ice age 8,000 years ago, so there is that.

I'm hesitant to say humans are valuable to the ecosystem, since we aren't a vital food source, nor do we keep the population of another species in check, but we're certainly a part of it, for better or for worse.

And yes, Nahmat speaks telepathically. :)
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HolyCross9 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013
You know, I was trying to state that in manner that ~sweetcove stated it, but it seems I failed to make it as engaging the way she did.

And I also want to ask, what would Nahmat's voice sound like? Is it anything similar to Renamon's (she's from an anime called Digimon, which I assume you are familiar with)?
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry I took forever to reply, but the idea of Nahmat sounding like Renamon was so strangely brilliant, it took me that long to recover from the stunning effect of the notion.

So, Yes. Though I wouldn't be surprised if, when she's angry, her "voice" takes on a darker, more dangerous tone then how Rena usually speaks. More like Mewtwo in the first Pokemon movie than the calm, stoic Renamon.
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HolyCross9 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013
Alright. And by the way, you forgot to respond to my complement of Nahmat's beauty.
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Shule123 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
So Nahmat lives on Earth? Got it! :D
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Calling an entire reality 'unnatural' and calling the one pocket of it that works like your own world 'natural' is kinda egocentric.
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xaq10r Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
:music: To everything
~Turn, turn, turn~
There is a seasons
~Turn, turn, turn~:music:
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sweetcove Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Interesting. Though it should be noted that all of Equestria is a magical realm/world and all ponies are born with natural innate magics that they have been using to survive since before their earliest civilisations. In other words, there is a flaw in Nahmat's argument, in the fact that ponies and their magical influences on their world are as much a part of 'natures magic' as any of the wild plants and beasts, mystical or otherwise, that live in the Everfree forest. Ponies are akin to beavers in this regard - the (magical) animal that alters/influences its own (magical) habitat to a greater extent than any other species. It is because they have been the dominant life form in their world/part of the world for so long and have been so successful, that they can live their entire lives without ever setting foot outside their own habitat. Thus a radically different habitat, like the Everfree, sitting right on their door step would probably seem unnatural when in fact it is merely another part of nature.


Anyway to reiterate my point: Pony = magic beaver using natural abilities to survive/thrive = natural part of a magical world. To call what ponies do an unnatural force of ecological engineering when their earliest ancestors could probably do the same thing on instinct (although on a much smaller scale and considerably less efficently) would be highly inaccurate.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was a really nifty thing you brought up! Sorry I didn't reply as soon as I had received your comment, but your comment really got me thinking, and even now I'm trying to articulate it in my head.

"Magical Beavers," it makes me think that perhaps natural and unnatural should not be defined in absolutes. Let me explain: you could say that between, say, a tree and a house, we have two examples of a natural and unnatural thing. But, then we have, say, a nest. A nest is a lot like a house, but instead of being built by a sentient animal (human), it was built by instinct (a bird). So with that, you have something that is a little unnatural, but could be called more natural than the house.

Even so, the house is still defined by natural principles. So is a city, even a space ship. None of these things are really unnatural, just more and more difficult to create without the help of non-thinking forces. Even the things made entirely by thinking forces, thoughts, ideas an dreams, are made by something at the mercy of natural principles: the brain.

So, naturalness should be defined on a scale? Perhaps. There are probably others who have thought on this more than I, but what I think's for sure is that poor Nahmat hasn't. I think it's a shame that people take her thoughts and mine to be one and the same when they are not, but now I ramble.

Thank you for your insightful comment! Pardon the late (and long) reply.
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Cyberguy64 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Good observations. I also find it fascinating that "Natural" by what Nahmat seems to be saying, involves a lot of death and pain, due to how harsh nature is. If the ponies can alleviate that with their magical talents, then isn't being unnatural a good thing? Why should they feel uncomfortable for making everyone's lives easier?
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Silverweed91 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Lol, my thought after the fourth panel: "BURN HER!!!" :D
Also, this.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To which I say, this. :)
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Kra-ZGirl Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Ugh my head hurts X_X Learning about my own planted and i already know this XD
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WingedWolfGirl Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
♪♫ You spin me right round baby, right-round like a record baby... ♪♫
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danail24 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Princess Cadance's scrunchy face! LOL XD
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shula6 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
Thus the flaw in Queen Chrysalis's plan is revealed.
"Haha! I have defeated the Mover of the Heavens!"
*World freezes over*
"Damn!"
Some wonder at Celestia's true motivations, but I maintain she has true benevolence! Celestia is in fact so nice that she lets other countries continue to exist!
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garciarael Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
This is best page!
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ZDForrest Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Student Filmographer
I can understand how our world and the Everfree forest can be scary. It IS scary. Especially coming from a balanced and organized world like this.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wonder, if you were to wake up Discord and bring him to Nahmat's world (or earth for that matter), would the natural chaos make even him go "WHOA WHAT THE FUDGE-STORM AM I LOOKING AT!?"
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ZDForrest Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Filmographer
Probably :) he's either love it or be bored stiff :)
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MisterJones4899 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
This might be my favorite page yet.

And that is saying something.
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You get a gold :star:

:love:
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GoldeenHerself Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013   Traditional Artist
Oh the earth, it goes around the sun once a year, the moon goes around the earth once a month, and the earth goes around itself once a day!

I guess we won't go into how the entire solar system goes around the galaxy every (approx) 400 million years? XD
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, the concept of the true nature of stars, planets and galaxies would blow even Shining Armor's mind. :giggle:
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Rurudyne Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Love Candice's reaction to so much spinning. :)

I looked on the wiki and it didn't mention a geocentric cosmos and I was wondering where this was mentioned?

I myself, as a purveyor of occasional fan fics, had been leaning towards a heliocentric system but where (moving forward in) time for most living creatures, at least those beyond the borders of the Everfree -- no saying about it, was controlled by magic and the mundane time of the physical universe just plain old time. IOW Celestial and Luna (or just unicorns) would be moving the living world through the physical, so a day or night could "last forever" with attendant consequences, also for all portions of the planet (possibly no time zones).

The idea was inspired by the multiple ponies with Time Turner's cutie mark and the thought that these kept clocks etc accurate to pony perceptions because they were aware of both the time experienced by ponies and the time passing in the mundane physical universe that would govern machines. That makes sense of having a special talent keeping time to me. I had been considering how this kind of a talent would make Time Turner and his brethren usefully different from Dr Whooves mash-up.

Of course, if its officially geocentric that changes ... though now that I think of it the "Time Turner" cutie mark could still signify a talent for getting "mechanical" or mundane time to coincide with magical time....
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have no idea if there's a canon source that says the world is heliocentric or geocentric. I went with geocentric for this story because it resonates with the "this world is made by us, for us" perspective the ponies take on the world around them in the show. I also did it for other reasons of importance to the story, which shall be seen during the beginning of the climax. ;)
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Rurudyne Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Gotcha!
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