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I had hoped by now to have prepared a prose adaptation of the scene with Nahmat that we missed, but writing good prose in a week while drawing next week's pages is hard for me.
But to summarize, like theirs, her world is mostly made of rock, with a cool, thin crust, a hot, liquid mantle, and a hot, iron-nickel core. Like theirs, her world is mostly covered in water, which can be naturally found in solid, liquid, and gaseous states. Like theirs, her world is covered in a thin film of air, made mostly of nitrogen, oxygen, crabon-dioxie and water. And, like theirs, her world is covered in life. This page outlines the differences, though she, as far as I can tell, hasn't yet mentioned that all the lights in the night sky are other suns, planets and galaxies.
Shining Armor has a geek for a sister, bless him, so I wrote this scene thinking he wouldn't be as dumbstruck by such a strange world as Cadance, who, as an Alicorn, was born to rule over natural order for the good of pony-kind.
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My Little Pony (c) Hasbro,
Friendship is Magic was created by and assistants.
Also, given the fact that the sun and moon do not operate without being directly controlled, it seems quite plausible, and perhaps even likely, that Equestria has never existed without ecological engineering. Certainly it is hard to see how it could ever have functioned properly without something to cycle the heavens and provide a steady alternation of day and night. On what grounds, then, would you call that "unnatural"? This is, in all likelihood, as the Tree of Harmony intended things to be.
In this case, they don't natively speak the same language to begin with, so it's not even semantics. It's translation.
but no, seriously, we dont get sick from the "spinning", so neither should they
it was never any big deal to me that the everfree forest functioned on its own... but rather the conception that the fact that plants and animals could function autonomously of each other was considered "UN-nantural" as in "incorrect" DID bother me...
surely the land wasn't always this well regulated into such synergy... (which in itself isn't a bad thing) frankly it is this synergy that makes equestria a nice place to live that doesn't need high technology to do it... especially made possible by magic... thus: more time and effort can be spent on character and integrity over material and profit, effectively choking the disease of greed well before it sprouts... for the most part... and motivation comes not from the chance of material profit as much as personal profit from the artistic and self fulfillment type of payoff.
there is natural, such as flowing water which is nice, there is natural like predators eating smaller creatures whcih is a sort of organized chaos in which the loser pays big time... obviously equestria has done well to look out for the little people... ironically the basic aim of Marx's communist manifesto...
It's all so true.
Despite the show's potential, I think ponies have WAY too much control over their world, but I don't think about it.-_-
Just as the wind moves clouds in the everfree, pegasi move clouds outside of it. It seems unnatural to us that the wind doesn't just blow, but that just makes the wind "wild" in everfree, not "natural". Like how plants grow toward light, there's a lot of order in the natural world, and ponies co-exist with these forces, flora and fauna in order to create a stabilized ecosystem.
It seems weirder to me that the wolf divorces herself from nature such that ponies being a part of their ecosystem (albeit a bogglingly vital part) is unnatural... unless her people live like ours do, paving paradise and putting up parking lots...
oh and BTW awesome comic.
Also, is Nahmat speaking telepathically?
I'm hesitant to say humans are valuable to the ecosystem, since we aren't a vital food source, nor do we keep the population of another species in check, but we're certainly a part of it, for better or for worse.
And yes, Nahmat speaks telepathically.
And I also want to ask, what would Nahmat's voice sound like? Is it anything similar to Renamon's (she's from an anime called Digimon, which I assume you are familiar with)?
So, Yes. Though I wouldn't be surprised if, when she's angry, her "voice" takes on a darker, more dangerous tone then how Rena usually speaks. More like Mewtwo in the first Pokemon movie than the calm, stoic Renamon.
~Turn, turn, turn~
There is a seasons
~Turn, turn, turn~
Anyway to reiterate my point: Pony = magic beaver using natural abilities to survive/thrive = natural part of a magical world. To call what ponies do an unnatural force of ecological engineering when their earliest ancestors could probably do the same thing on instinct (although on a much smaller scale and considerably less efficently) would be highly inaccurate.
"Magical Beavers," it makes me think that perhaps natural and unnatural should not be defined in absolutes. Let me explain: you could say that between, say, a tree and a house, we have two examples of a natural and unnatural thing. But, then we have, say, a nest. A nest is a lot like a house, but instead of being built by a sentient animal (human), it was built by instinct (a bird). So with that, you have something that is a little unnatural, but could be called more natural than the house.
Even so, the house is still defined by natural principles. So is a city, even a space ship. None of these things are really unnatural, just more and more difficult to create without the help of non-thinking forces. Even the things made entirely by thinking forces, thoughts, ideas an dreams, are made by something at the mercy of natural principles: the brain.
So, naturalness should be defined on a scale? Perhaps. There are probably others who have thought on this more than I, but what I think's for sure is that poor Nahmat hasn't. I think it's a shame that people take her thoughts and mine to be one and the same when they are not, but now I ramble.
Thank you for your insightful comment! Pardon the late (and long) reply.
"Haha! I have defeated the Mover of the Heavens!"
*World freezes over*
Some wonder at Celestia's true motivations, but I maintain she has true benevolence! Celestia is in fact so nice that she lets other countries continue to exist!
And that is saying something.
I guess we won't go into how the entire solar system goes around the galaxy every (approx) 400 million years? XD
I looked on the wiki and it didn't mention a geocentric cosmos and I was wondering where this was mentioned?
I myself, as a purveyor of occasional fan fics, had been leaning towards a heliocentric system but where (moving forward in) time for most living creatures, at least those beyond the borders of the Everfree -- no saying about it, was controlled by magic and the mundane time of the physical universe just plain old time. IOW Celestial and Luna (or just unicorns) would be moving the living world through the physical, so a day or night could "last forever" with attendant consequences, also for all portions of the planet (possibly no time zones).
The idea was inspired by the multiple ponies with Time Turner's cutie mark and the thought that these kept clocks etc accurate to pony perceptions because they were aware of both the time experienced by ponies and the time passing in the mundane physical universe that would govern machines. That makes sense of having a special talent keeping time to me. I had been considering how this kind of a talent would make Time Turner and his brethren usefully different from Dr Whooves mash-up.
Of course, if its officially geocentric that changes ... though now that I think of it the "Time Turner" cutie mark could still signify a talent for getting "mechanical" or mundane time to coincide with magical time....