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[Edit] Changed Twilight's first line on panel 3. Normally I don't edit things like dialogue after publishing a page, but this was an instance where I feel I made the mistake of not thinking through the script carefully enough beforehand. Having had more time, I concluded that since Twilight wasn't using the word "treason" literally, I ought to have had her say what she meant in the first place.
[Edit 2] I apparently forgot to draw Cadance's horn in the second frame of the bottom row. That has been fixed. Page, will you leave me alone now?
The more of this comic I write, the more I wish I could have wrote this as the followup to Magical Mystery Cure. But if I did, I would have had to write Discord, a character who wouldn't have wanted to miss out on such a dramatic event in Equestrian history, but sadly is of a caliber far beyond my writing skills.
Oh and if Twilight's revelation seems a little strange, keep in mind she's been mulling over this for the past hour or so of in-comic time.
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My Little Pony (c) Hasbro,
Friendship is Magic was created by and assistants.
I love her character but sadly the original FiM series is about to have the development of Twilight in its spotlight, so Celestia just seems to be a tool for the writers to teach Twilight all her lessons. Hence all her flaws, arrogance and trolling appearance. It's disappointing how perfunctory her character is developed in the series .
Really really really, you really never though that Celestia could make a mistake ?
ever heard that "a wise mind benefits from a second opinion" ?
You never had to follow Celestia or be just like her to be a good pony and certainly you didn't have to be that way to be yourself... Celestia isn't any of us and none of us are her... that's nothing wrong, and it is neither a reason to not cooperate yet is isnt an excuse to not hold her accountable for her mistakes either... the biggest issue is Gralo, so if we're to do anything, we do it now (or we die....)"
Wow! To them, somepony saying that Celestia can get things wrong is like a Christian, like me, saying GOD can get things wrong... I'd go as far as to say it's outright BLASPHEMY.
BUT... Twilight being Twilight... she HAS to have a reason, right?
I know very well, thank you very much!
From the very beginning, I've always equated Celestia as being like The Pope; i.e. she's the closest thing to "God", or whatever Higher Power these ponies believe in.
I'm sure plenty of others have noticed the exact same thing. Therefore, my conclusion is that there is some from of representation of Christian beliefs in FIM.
It's well drawn (the griffon and Nahmat are simply... wonderful, I swear), the story is interesting, full of mysteries, emotional, deep, and it makes you REALLY wonder what will happen next. I love it so much that I just hate myself for having discovered it when it's not finished yet, because I know it will be very painful to wait for a new page.
Plus... the whole idea behind the comic. It is... genial, I have no words to describe it: I can just say it's... well, I still have no words so I cannot come up with something to convey my thoughts about it. Just believe me, this is the best MLP comic you can find on the Internet. And it is a comic with "just" 80 pages which overcame (in my personal classification) a lot of other comics with hundreds of pages each. This indeed means something
He's a Krassau. They are to parrots as Vroknašr, such as Nahmat, are to Wolves.
Its also one of the reasons why I consider 'A Canterlot Wedding' one of if not the worst episode of the entire series as it was the height not only of all the lessons begin forgotten for the sake of personal gain from Twilight's friends and her brother, but also having Celestia depicted as an incompetent ruler for failing to learn from the very lessons she sent Twilight to learn and failing to remember how to trust her faithful student's instinct. Granted Twilight could have gone through this a lot better and gotten proof before hand, but it just proves how that season finale practically messed up the entire formula for the characters and the meaning behind the 'Friendship is Magic' principle of the show, purely from nothing but lazy writing.
It sort of reminds me of Linkara's rant about Spiderman in his review of One More Day; [link] To me he said it best when it reaches 2:58. Re work it with the position of Celestia or as Spiderman/Peter Parker and it would flow perfectly as to how I feel about her character.
I've made several jokes about how Princess Celestia's life is nothing but an endless spiral of of pain and misery, what with her kingdom constantly under attack all the time or how she is shown doing so little because of her past mistakes catching up to her, and I mean it! The truth is is that if she ever cared about taking responsibility for her actions, she would have given up being the ruler of Equestria, a LONG time ago!
But hey, maybe that's just the reasoning of a jaded individual looking at this stupid ass problem in hindsight. Of course I don't want Princess Celestia to stop being the ruler of Equestria. What I WANT is for her to be written like a competent RULER already! But the writers and Hasbro seem to steadfastly refuse to let that happen! Princess Celestia is just a secondary character to them, the reason why she is not given a real chance to prove herself is because that would take away the points of Twilight and her friends having adventures and learning about the magic of friendship.
But the truth is, Twilight has already grown up, she learned all the is to know, has taken full responsibility and has begun to move on. Twilight has changed, but Celestia has not.
Sorry about that rambling. Great comic too, looking forward to the next page.
I really hope Twilight is about to ask a question that will get Gralo in a difficult position, or at least make it hard for him to stay hidden.
And I love how Luna is there to support her sister now. At least one of the Ponies Celestia wronged through her mistakes is there to show her that she is forgiven, or at least not hated as much as Nahmat suggested she should be.
But 4 days to THE QUESTION...eh, no probs waiting...
Allow me to explain. I don't agree with your interpretation of Celestia, or the Royal Wedding two-parter, but I don't have a problem with it. Different perspectives and all that, yes? I also didn't have a problem with Nahmat until now; I thought she and Garret were done very well, and there was genuine tension regarding Gralo. I liked that Nahmat was an alien from an alien world, and her magic and points of reference were very different from the ponies'. Her conversation with Shining Armor on the subject of marriage, for example, was well-done.
What I have a problem with is that Nahmat feels very much like a Mary Sue. She did not for a long time, but her recent . . . soapboxing . . . left a very bad taste in my mouth. Based on your comments, I get the feeling that Nahmat is voicing your concerns and feelings regarding Celestia as a ruler, and certain situations specifically. I disagree with several of them, and I feel both you and Nahmat are being very unfair to Celestia's character. This wouldn't be much of a problem if it was just Nahmat's opinion, but it seems to be yours as well, and based on the reactions of Cadance and Twilight, it seems to be "true" in this universe. I put "true" in quotation marks because, as stated, I disagree quite strongly. I could go over this point-by-point, but I think that would be rather useless - again, we have different perspectives, and that's fine. I'm not trying to convert you here.
Then too, Nahmat is very overpowered. You did well here at first, but now, aside from shutting down the Mane Six in pre-Rainbow of Harmony mode, she has effortlessly defeated the five most powerful alicorns/unicorns in Equestria SIMULTANEOUSLY while still verbally chewing Celestia out. This, I find painfully unbelievable. Powerful? Sure. Nothing wrong with that. But to be able to utterly dominate Celestia, Luna, Twilight, Cadance, and Shining Armor together, that's just absurd. Celestia and Luna are ageless demigoddesses; Shining Armor is the Captain of the Royal Guard, and has shown himself to be powerful and quick-thinking; and Twilight has faced and defeated many powerful threats through wits and clever application of magic. Then, too, Nahmat just launched a (possibly justified, I grant) attack on the rulers of the nation; by rights, every magic-sensitive pony in Canterlot should be gunning for her, starting with Shining Armor and the Royal Guard.
I also feel Celestia has been portrayed poorly. Placing the anti-magic bridle on Nahmat by force feels dead wrong, as does physically attacking her. You seem to be equating "has not offered any apologies for things that were not her fault" with "overweening arrogance," and showing her as insecure and temperamental. I have to say, I have seen none of these traits in canon.
The classic definition of a Mary Sue is an author avatar, usually unusual and overpowered. Nahmat certainly seems to fit that description, and while that doesn't necessarily make her a bad character, it is troubling. It feels like the entire point of this comic - which has been flat-out wonderful for the most part - was to have this painful (and, IMO, untrue) screed against Evil Tyrant Celestia delivered by a character who can literally bitch-slap her into submission.
The one thing I have genuinely enjoyed about the recent updates was Luna defending and consoling her sister, even assuming (quite correctly) the blame for the whole NMM affair. I love seeing the Royal Sisters interact like that.
I hope you don't take this as an attack. I am not a hater - I quite like your work - but I feel our storytelling has declined, and this saddens me. Even if we disagree on things like how good a pony Celestia is, I hope you'll take this as honest feedback from a fan, and at least consider what I'm saying.
She pretty much got so frustrated others wouldn't trust her and kept getting on her way that she lost control and threw a hissy fit. Some of the things she said might be valid, but a lot weren't, and the presentation was terrible. I think that is how that scene is meant to be interpreted.
It should also be pointed out, that being distrusted by the heroes and losing it are very un-mary sue characteristics. See, the way I see it the mark of the mary sue is not so much that they are overpowered, but that the entire universe seems to bend around them. All events are ultimately for her benefit, all character interactions involve her. She is universally loved and basically flawless.
None of these things apply to her.
I totally agree with you on the subject of Celestia though. The author and the general feel of the comments seem to treat this interpretation of Celestia as overly arrogant and unable to admit mistakes as if it was self-evident. The way I see it, there really is nothing in cannon to support this notion, although in fairness there is really nothing that directly contradicts it either, so I guess it falls under the jurisdiction of alternate character interpretation...
Seriously, I'd like to know where that came from.