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[Edit] Changed Twilight's first line on panel 3. Normally I don't edit things like dialogue after publishing a page, but this was an instance where I feel I made the mistake of not thinking through the script carefully enough beforehand. Having had more time, I concluded that since Twilight wasn't using the word "treason" literally, I ought to have had her say what she meant in the first place.

[Edit 2] I apparently forgot to draw Cadance's horn in the second frame of the bottom row. That has been fixed. Page, will you leave me alone now?

The more of this comic I write, the more I wish I could have wrote this as the followup to Magical Mystery Cure. But if I did, I would have had to write Discord, a character who wouldn't have wanted to miss out on such a dramatic event in Equestrian history, but sadly is of a caliber far beyond my writing skills. :(

Oh and if Twilight's revelation seems a little strange, keep in mind she's been mulling over this for the past hour or so of in-comic time.

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My Little Pony (c) Hasbro,
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:iconchelidoni:
Chelidoni Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014
My heart aches seeing Celestia this down :( (Sad)  . Of course she has flaws. Everyone has. But there was no need to treat her that hard. Or was it?

I love her character but sadly the original FiM series is about to have the development of Twilight in its spotlight, so Celestia just seems to be a tool for the writers to teach Twilight all her lessons. Hence all her flaws, arrogance and trolling appearance. It's disappointing how perfunctory her character is developed in the series :( .
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ichingdivine Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014
Brushy...:sadtard: 
Brushy...Sad 
Brushy...Fappy Cry 
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Yingxuan03 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
Does combing celestia's mane calm her down
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fotland42 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Well? Don't keep us in suspense, Twi? What do you think you can ask Garret that will shed light upon this situation? What can Garret answer that Gralo cannot lie about?
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NellzDaBlackKing Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Oh? What's this? Is Twilight starting to gain some individuality from her mentor?
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:iconsongmina:
SongMina Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014
Maybe celestia did know about her flaws... And just wanted to teach twilight so she wouldnt make the same mistakes once she becames the princess..
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BlackHat6 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Celestia crying really got meWaaaah! :( (Sad) Really Sad 
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BlackHat6 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would have to agree, Twilight believing that Celestia knew what she was doing ALL the time? I know this is fan-fic but, THAT'S a little dumb; just saying.
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o0Airheart0o Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
I feel sad now. In a good way, though. It shows that this comic is emotional (they should make this an episode, minus the Fluttershy swearing part)
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watcher25 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2014
"oh come on, seriously, really?
 No really?
 Really really really, you really never though that Celestia could make a mistake ?

ever heard that "a wise mind benefits from a second opinion" ?

You never had to follow Celestia or be just like her to be a good pony and certainly you didn't have to be that way to be yourself... Celestia isn't any of us and none of us are her... that's nothing wrong, and it is neither a reason to not cooperate yet is isnt an excuse to not hold her accountable for her mistakes either... the biggest issue is Gralo, so if we're to do anything, we do it now (or we die....)"    
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kevin110197 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
*Goarn*C'mon guys, just admit it, please, we all knew about this
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013

Wow! To them, somepony saying that Celestia can get things wrong is like a Christian, like me, saying GOD can get things wrong... I'd go as far as to say it's outright BLASPHEMY.

 

BUT... Twilight being Twilight... she HAS to have a reason, right? :)

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TheTspot Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014
Celestia=GOD (face palm) ?  You being a Christian I would think you would know what the concept of god was
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:iconkarkovice1:
karkovice1 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014

I know very well, thank you very much! :P

 

From the very beginning, I've always equated Celestia as being like The Pope; i.e. she's the closest thing to "God", or whatever Higher Power these ponies believe in. :)

 

I'm sure plenty of others have noticed the exact same thing. Therefore, my conclusion is that there is some from of representation of Christian beliefs in FIM. :)

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:iconthetspot:
TheTspot Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014

again, not many people like the pope


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:iconkarkovice1:
karkovice1 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
Yes he has close to two billion "fans" right now. I wouldn't call THAT small potatoes. :D
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:iconthetspot:
TheTspot Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
still not much dude... compared to the rest of the world, not much at all.  besides propagated religion is not something anyone should be proud of
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:iconhereticalrosepetal:
HereticalRosePetal Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013
Well, name once God did something right today. And I'm Christian as well.
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DarkwolfTala Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2013  Hobbyist
Stupid Celestia, nobody really likes her anyways. Best ponies to me are Fluttershy, Cadence and Luna
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brad22474 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
:iconmlp-discordplz: Feeling a bit sad, Celestia?
:iconcelestiapuppyfaceplz: *snif* Uh-huh.
:icondiscordtrollplz: Well, I've got just the thing to turn that frown upside-down. [link]
:iconlunamadplz: DISCORD!! I WILL GLADLY GUT YOU LIKE A FISH! RIGHT! NOW!!
:icondiscordumadplz: Hee hee.
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Jess532 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
What? I don't get it.Pinkie Pie EyeFlutter 
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:iconcrelyous:
Crelyous Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Student General Artist
Discord, you better run for your life!!
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Shiina-Mako-Chan Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Go ahead, Celestia. Cry. Better you cried before your past mistakes even happened.
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Aleja08 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
You could still have done the comic after magical mystery cure, just say discord was in another dimension or doing something really important. There must have been a big reason why celestia wanted him free in the first place
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NorthernLightsmlpfim Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I just started reading this today, it changed my life!
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Lopoddity Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I love the way you portray Shining and Cadence. I wish they got this much development in the show.
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labba94 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Uh, this comic is... awesome! *__* You know, I've read a lot, a lot, a lot of comics; and even if I refer only to MLP comics, there are still plenty of them. And well, I discovered this one today. Will you believe me it suddenly became my favourite one, the comic I consider "perfect" under every aspect?

It's well drawn (the griffon and Nahmat are simply... wonderful, I swear), the story is interesting, full of mysteries, emotional, deep, and it makes you REALLY wonder what will happen next. I love it so much that I just hate myself for having discovered it when it's not finished yet, because I know it will be very painful to wait for a new page.

Plus... the whole idea behind the comic. It is... genial, I have no words to describe it: I can just say it's... well, I still have no words so I cannot come up with something to convey my thoughts about it. Just believe me, this is the best MLP comic you can find on the Internet. And it is a comic with "just" 80 pages which overcame (in my personal classification) a lot of other comics with hundreds of pages each. This indeed means something =)
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:iconthetspot:
TheTspot Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013
Here's a question i never see. What animal is Gralo
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:iconarofatamahn:
ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It was answered as early as page 20. :)

He's a Krassau. They are to parrots as Vroknašr, such as Nahmat, are to Wolves.
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TheTspot Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
oh... i wonder if he has the itch to copy what everyone else is saying
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:icondeathmach23:
deathmach23 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013
doctor who?
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ThundercrackerMLP Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
the question!! I must know!!
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:iconfellefan:
Fellefan Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
just to (maybe) make you edit the page once more; you forgot one of Garret's leg in the first frame on row three... c:< <3
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duragan Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013
The more I read through this comic, the more I can really feel sorry for, and have less compassion for the character of Celestia all at once. As much as I want to respect her as a leader, to me at least you've really shown how because of poor writing by DMX she is never taken as seriously as she should have been. While it wouldn't be fair that she should be the hero or the protagonist since it would take away the focus of Twilight's teachings, but when the student surpasses the teacher in several other ways it makes her look less of a capable ruler and more of someone who is the plot point for the problem that have happened for Equestria. When events like these are addressed in the fandom and not in the show itself, it shows how well individuals like yourself can explore and address issues that seem to be brushed over and forgotten in the show itself, which really doesn't help make her look any better. (To me at least, but I'm sure there are others who would think this way too).

Its also one of the reasons why I consider 'A Canterlot Wedding' one of if not the worst episode of the entire series as it was the height not only of all the lessons begin forgotten for the sake of personal gain from Twilight's friends and her brother, but also having Celestia depicted as an incompetent ruler for failing to learn from the very lessons she sent Twilight to learn and failing to remember how to trust her faithful student's instinct. Granted Twilight could have gone through this a lot better and gotten proof before hand, but it just proves how that season finale practically messed up the entire formula for the characters and the meaning behind the 'Friendship is Magic' principle of the show, purely from nothing but lazy writing.

It sort of reminds me of Linkara's rant about Spiderman in his review of One More Day; [link] To me he said it best when it reaches 2:58. Re work it with the position of Celestia or as Spiderman/Peter Parker and it would flow perfectly as to how I feel about her character.

I've made several jokes about how Princess Celestia's life is nothing but an endless spiral of of pain and misery, what with her kingdom constantly under attack all the time or how she is shown doing so little because of her past mistakes catching up to her, and I mean it! The truth is is that if she ever cared about taking responsibility for her actions, she would have given up being the ruler of Equestria, a LONG time ago!

But hey, maybe that's just the reasoning of a jaded individual looking at this stupid ass problem in hindsight. Of course I don't want Princess Celestia to stop being the ruler of Equestria. What I WANT is for her to be written like a competent RULER already! But the writers and Hasbro seem to steadfastly refuse to let that happen! Princess Celestia is just a secondary character to them, the reason why she is not given a real chance to prove herself is because that would take away the points of Twilight and her friends having adventures and learning about the magic of friendship.

But the truth is, Twilight has already grown up, she learned all the is to know, has taken full responsibility and has begun to move on. Twilight has changed, but Celestia has not.


Sorry about that rambling. ^^; Great comic too, looking forward to the next page. :)
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SoraNoRyu Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013
The tension is rising ever more now.

I really hope Twilight is about to ask a question that will get Gralo in a difficult position, or at least make it hard for him to stay hidden.


And I love how Luna is there to support her sister now. At least one of the Ponies Celestia wronged through her mistakes is there to show her that she is forgiven, or at least not hated as much as Nahmat suggested she should be.
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tigreanpony Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
Oh nice, glad to see Twilight growing up a bit and deciding to be herself. Can't wait for more.
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Twylite-Sparkle Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
I have nothing but respect for your storytelling & artwork. The comments agreeing/disagreeing with your views are just as entertaining.
But 4 days to THE QUESTION...eh, no probs waiting...
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EvanKestral Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013
I've been reading this comic for a while now and I really like your art style and writing. It's one of my favorites, right up there with Dash Academy. However, I must admit these past few updates have greatly lessened by enjoyment.

Allow me to explain. I don't agree with your interpretation of Celestia, or the Royal Wedding two-parter, but I don't have a problem with it. Different perspectives and all that, yes? I also didn't have a problem with Nahmat until now; I thought she and Garret were done very well, and there was genuine tension regarding Gralo. I liked that Nahmat was an alien from an alien world, and her magic and points of reference were very different from the ponies'. Her conversation with Shining Armor on the subject of marriage, for example, was well-done.

What I have a problem with is that Nahmat feels very much like a Mary Sue. She did not for a long time, but her recent . . . soapboxing . . . left a very bad taste in my mouth. Based on your comments, I get the feeling that Nahmat is voicing your concerns and feelings regarding Celestia as a ruler, and certain situations specifically. I disagree with several of them, and I feel both you and Nahmat are being very unfair to Celestia's character. This wouldn't be much of a problem if it was just Nahmat's opinion, but it seems to be yours as well, and based on the reactions of Cadance and Twilight, it seems to be "true" in this universe. I put "true" in quotation marks because, as stated, I disagree quite strongly. I could go over this point-by-point, but I think that would be rather useless - again, we have different perspectives, and that's fine. I'm not trying to convert you here.

Then too, Nahmat is very overpowered. You did well here at first, but now, aside from shutting down the Mane Six in pre-Rainbow of Harmony mode, she has effortlessly defeated the five most powerful alicorns/unicorns in Equestria SIMULTANEOUSLY while still verbally chewing Celestia out. This, I find painfully unbelievable. Powerful? Sure. Nothing wrong with that. But to be able to utterly dominate Celestia, Luna, Twilight, Cadance, and Shining Armor together, that's just absurd. Celestia and Luna are ageless demigoddesses; Shining Armor is the Captain of the Royal Guard, and has shown himself to be powerful and quick-thinking; and Twilight has faced and defeated many powerful threats through wits and clever application of magic. Then, too, Nahmat just launched a (possibly justified, I grant) attack on the rulers of the nation; by rights, every magic-sensitive pony in Canterlot should be gunning for her, starting with Shining Armor and the Royal Guard.

I also feel Celestia has been portrayed poorly. Placing the anti-magic bridle on Nahmat by force feels dead wrong, as does physically attacking her. You seem to be equating "has not offered any apologies for things that were not her fault" with "overweening arrogance," and showing her as insecure and temperamental. I have to say, I have seen none of these traits in canon.

The classic definition of a Mary Sue is an author avatar, usually unusual and overpowered. Nahmat certainly seems to fit that description, and while that doesn't necessarily make her a bad character, it is troubling. It feels like the entire point of this comic - which has been flat-out wonderful for the most part - was to have this painful (and, IMO, untrue) screed against Evil Tyrant Celestia delivered by a character who can literally bitch-slap her into submission.

The one thing I have genuinely enjoyed about the recent updates was Luna defending and consoling her sister, even assuming (quite correctly) the blame for the whole NMM affair. I love seeing the Royal Sisters interact like that.

I hope you don't take this as an attack. I am not a hater - I quite like your work - but I feel our storytelling has declined, and this saddens me. Even if we disagree on things like how good a pony Celestia is, I hope you'll take this as honest feedback from a fan, and at least consider what I'm saying.
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Alancar2 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
It should be pointed out that the Author commented she disagrees with a lot of what Nahmat has said.

She pretty much got so frustrated others wouldn't trust her and kept getting on her way that she lost control and threw a hissy fit. Some of the things she said might be valid, but a lot weren't, and the presentation was terrible. I think that is how that scene is meant to be interpreted.

It should also be pointed out, that being distrusted by the heroes and losing it are very un-mary sue characteristics. See, the way I see it the mark of the mary sue is not so much that they are overpowered, but that the entire universe seems to bend around them. All events are ultimately for her benefit, all character interactions involve her. She is universally loved and basically flawless.

None of these things apply to her.

I totally agree with you on the subject of Celestia though. The author and the general feel of the comments seem to treat this interpretation of Celestia as overly arrogant and unable to admit mistakes as if it was self-evident. The way I see it, there really is nothing in cannon to support this notion, although in fairness there is really nothing that directly contradicts it either, so I guess it falls under the jurisdiction of alternate character interpretation...
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djthomp Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
Very well said, I agree completely.
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bird-in-a-tux Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, this page made me want to punch Fluttershy :D
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KarmaDash Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...Cadie has no horn, sadness made her lose her magic *cries*
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ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Artist's error. -_-
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KarmaDash Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's ok *pats head* You do alot of work
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Likaon1995 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013
I love this series soo much <3 I just can't wait for the next pages ;)
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HeimoBauss Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ohboiohboiohboiohboi!!!
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Shadowhand13 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013
u okay Cadie would you like a corn dog?
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:iconarofatamahn:
ArofaTamahn Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What is it with Shining Armor and corn dogs?

Seriously, I'd like to know where that came from.
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Shadowhand13 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013
there is this parody of mlp called friendship is witchcraft. in that series there is a character called francis sparkle who talks about corn dogs
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Ashezth Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
GIVE ME MORE THIS INSTANT
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